Primary and off-hand definitely can apply to unarmed strike attacks.Ĭhess Pwn: I think I'm mixing up my gaming systems. Monks specifically treat all unarmed attacks as primary handed and get full strength bonus on all unarmed strike damage. Unarmed strikes are not wielded weapons, so primary hand and off-hhand rules don't apply. Unarmed Strikes deal full strength damage. Unarmed Strikes can be made with any part of the body.Ģ. Here's what the rules say about Unarmed Strikes:ġ. A lot of rogues have high Wisdom too, meaning that they could possibly get a better AC using the Monk's unarmoured defence feature rather than studded leather and dex.I assume that's a clarification so that people playing monks have all of their rules in one place, instead of having to reference Chapter 8. Every single rogue player in existence would take a monk level just so they could get finesse bludgeoning weapons to use against creatures with vulnerability to bludgeoning damage. To give all simple weapons the finesse tag would be really silly. I assumed that the phrase 'that includes'would make it clear that I wasn't listing all simple weapons. I specifically gave examples of weapons that are NOT finesse weapons. You're forgetting the Dagger - and the Shortsword is finesse. Monk weapons are short swords and all simple weapons without the heavy or special tags, that includes the club, great club, Mace, hammer etc - none of which could possibly be considered finesse weapons. It just seems like a flavor fail to not mechanically let them with unarmed strikes. Now I know a monk can get sneak attacks with all the finesse weapons that are monk weapons, like daggers and that. Which bothers me because the feature literally calls it a weapon, but isn't mechanically.īut I was thinking that maybe the Monk's martial arts should read something like:ĭue to a Monk's training in unarmed strikes and monk weapons, they have learned to harness their natural weapons causing their bodies themselves to be forged into weapons with the finesse property and follows the martial arts damage die progression. So with then calling it a natural weapon there, mechanically isn't a weapon still. Even the playable races that have "natural weapons" state you can use your "claws, bite, horns, ect" as an unarmed strike that deals normally 1d4 damage instead of the 1 damage. So I was thinking about what makes a weapon a weapon in 5e. Part of my thinking i know comes from playing 3.5, were the Monk's unarmed strikes we considered natural weapons and not manufactured weapons, because there was a difference. So why not write it that way: martial arts giving unarmed strikes and monk weapons finesse RAW and I guess RAI unarmed strikes could never trigger sneak attack originally. Unarmed strikes as described in the make an attach section of the rules aren't weapon attacks. Now I know most DMs would probably let you get the sneak attack, but I wanted to know was this a RAI to not let monk unarmed strikes be finesse, but the worded work around.Įdit: for clarification sneak attack requires a ranged or finesse weapon attack per the rogue class feature. Looking at the Monk's martial arts feature, the RAW unarmed strikes and monk weapons can use Dex for attack and damage, just like finesse, but aren't finesse. Reading the requirements for sneak attack, it requires a ranged or finesse attack. So I was thinking that rogue would be good, so you don't have to waist ki to get bonus action dash and disengage, as well as getting access to sneak attack. I figured going 17 levels monk is good enough and was considering what to multi class into. So with the release of TCoE I was looking into building a monk of the astral self. Phandelver and Below: The Shattered Obelisk Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse
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